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Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 07:02:00 - [1] Quote: Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items? hmm... faction standings are no items, they are more of a service :trollface:
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 07:25:00 - [2] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 07:26:37 Originally by: Joe Astor I have been reading the threadnaught, and read the leaked PDF. Far as I can see, the part Soundwave posted in it was part of a debate. The problem is that prior to that debate CCP had already committed to one position - and that's the one championed by John Turbefield. The idea to sell faction standings is not part of Soundwave's opinion piece, it's part of Holden's article and it is explicitly framed as a "service we are looking at" and "CCP is in the process of adopting virtual sales..." - it's not just one man's crazy pipedream. From the same article is the quote Quote: Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright. These people are the Lead Game Designer (Soundwave) and the Lead Content Creator (Scott Holden) for EVE. Their words carry weight. CCP is discussing options that they could never implement without breaking promises they made to their customers. That's why many posters here are raging about "trust". fakeedit: and my previous post was serious - stop talking about "vanity items" or CCP will screw you over with "services".
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 08:24:00 - [3] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 08:26:54 trying to summarize the core positions I've seen in this thread so far no microtransactions at all microtransactions for vanity items/services only no items/services that give you a combat advantage should be sold via microtransactions microtransactions are cool if EVE goes F2P no issue with microtransactions surprisingly many iii.s imho - maybe CCP (PLEX for Remap, AUR for standings) is not quite as obnoxious of its customers' wishes as some of us would like to believe.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 08:54:00 - [4] Regarding the leaked document: my biggest gripe is the unhappiness among employees. Even if management manages to navigate the minefield of MTs without losing too many subscribers the steadily falling employee satisfaction scores 2009-2011 give raise to concerns about CCP's medium-term ability to attract and hold talent. As players we tend to think this devblog is a huge deal because it outlines CCP's MT strategy (which is neither especially exciting or innovative) but I fear that the employee satisfaction survey is the much more damning verdict for CCP. It is one thing to hear "high hours, bad management, low pay" via rumors or anecdotes - it's quite another thing to have access to that company's own surveys on that matter. Who is going to hire with CCP after seeing statistics that basically tell one story: a growing disconnect between top-level management and employees that gets hidden from outside parties through the employees' own exceptional loyalty?
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:17:00 - [5] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 09:19:42 Originally by: Elondris Singh I THINK that was soundwave, not manifest - but I could be wrong. I don't feel like going back over the threadnaught. Nonetheless CCP as an entity said this. It was CCP Shadow - he replied here a few months later. His excuse is that he basically said "there won't be" when all he really could have said with certainty would have been "I am unaware of any plans". Note how less than one year ago most posters were like "microtransactions no way" and now the prevailing attitude is "microtransactions for vanity items only is ok". As long as you behave like that CCP won't change...
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:39:00 - [6] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 09:43:00 Originally by: Elondris Singh Originally by: Sahvi Morvaalis My main issue with the AUR system is not the concept of it... it works in OTHER games. It's the whole idea of adding yet another step to THIS GAME's currency transactions that is completely superfluous. MT or Subscriptions. Not both. Like I said earlier (not that I imagine any sane person can keep up): My ideal would be to ditch Aurum as a whole. I am not attacking both of your personal opinions (at least that's not my intention) - my point is that going by the past development CCP's "our players are unhappy because we have changed too much too fast" approach may be justified. Maybe it is really the speed of the changes that is CCP's problem and not the content of the changes as such - maybe acceptance of more "invasive" items/services purchased through microtranscations will indeed rise if you give players a few months to accept a new anchor for their expectations. You can of course argue that this time is different because people actually cancel their accounts (which leaves little room for changing their mind about MTs) - but how many of these will continue to play with PLEX, how many will renew their subscription before their remaining gametime runs out? we simply don't know. I am probably too bitter about the EVE community as a whole but I was extremely disappointed by its acceptance of destructible PLEX - allowing a company to charge without providing any service in return is just dumb.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:59:00 - [7] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 10:02:45 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Why did you implement microtransactions against the will of the community? not going to play devil's advocate here the whole day but the answer to that is simple (a) "the will of the community" today is not the same as "the will of the community" tomorrow. CCP's answers so far show imo that they expect the community's acceptance of MTs to increase over time as people get more used to the model. Or to quote the PDF "We want to cater to long-term customers who will gradually acquire a taste for our wares" (b) the community today is not the same community as tomorrow - the only useful feature of Incarna so far is the new NPE (with agent finder & new recruitment interface), that should give you to think. The audience that might try EVE just because of Incarna is probably a different demographic and is likely to have different ideas about MTs than 2003's SF nerds. Losing some old players in exchange for new blood (with lose wallets) doesn't sound like a bad proposition - especially when the "I can never catch up to all these old characters" complaint is one of the reasons (potential) new players stay away from EVE.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 13:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Kamikaze Jihawty Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Kamikaze Jihawty death by fire is too fast of a death for soundwave? A threat??? An insult, sure. An opinion, sure. A threat??? Whatever CCP are butthurt, and when butthurt, they ban people, using words like 'threat' and 'hack' It is a threat, and you are just lying to yourself if you want to deny that. "Die in a Fire" "I will burn you in a fire" one is a wish the other is a threat - see the difference?
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:22:00 - [9] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 16:25:44 Originally by: visableone im upset that there was'nt one person in the whole of ccp who stood up and said [...] How do you know? For 98% of employees the answer to any such tantrum would be "here is the door and by the way don't forget about that NDA you signed when hiring with us" CCP is a huge company and most of those people that you probably think of are its top-level management - a top-level management that many employees are not happy with according to CCP's employee satisfaction survey, if I might add that.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:34:00 - [10] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 16:36:27 Originally by: Azelor Delaria I find it rather interesting that instead of coming to us, they went straight to an on-line publicist. On top of that, they've known this internal newsletter was leaked for days, and only after they go to the "press" do we find out, "Oh hey, bee tee dubs that was only part of the actual newsletter!". You would think when CCP Pann confirmed it's authenticity, she would have mentioned the fact it was just a small portion of a much larger picture? By the time she wrote her post that was already well-known - Linkage 2011.06.22 23:03:00 The link to it was posted many times in the older megathread, on twitter and on failheap-challenge. If you want up-to-date info on this topic use twitter, if you want serious discussion on this topic use fhc, if you want to vent and rage you already are at the right place.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 16:45:37 Originally by: Lidia Zarmel I just wished the general community further tested this before it went live on TQ. Then the majority of these problems would have been addressed and this expansion wouldn't have been released till those bugs were worked out. The majority of the problems were known from sisi testing - Akita T even tried to drum up support to get CCP to fix them before release. (to which the people like you responded with "don't complain, it's just a beta build - wait until release before complaining")
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:48:00 - [12] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 16:48:47 Originally by: Haunting Widow Would it get their attention if we all stormed Jita? I'm prepared to send 3 accounts there at a moments notice. would get their attention... "Great Incarna uptake leads to record user numbers"
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Aineko Macx Originally by: Cabroo Fallout just posted http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536829&page=2#39 inb4 ****storm This is getting ludicrous.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Jaxom Asgard and as others have said, even though 'at least 1000' have unsubscribed, the overall number of people online doesn't appear to have changed much. people have between nothing and almost 12 months left on their cancelled subscription. Wait 2 weeks before looking for changes in the number of concurrent users.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.25 09:33:00 - [15] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 25/06/2011 09:33:44 via fhc:
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Cyaxares II Originally by: Ranger 1 Does the fact that the people were asked to portray different extreme viewpoints in that internal communication now make sense? I don't see any "different extreme viewpoints" in that bulletin... It's just either MTs or MTs... and the article by CCP Morlock is imo even more damning than the Soundwave bit. Also notice how Hilmar explicitly refers to Fearless as a means of communicating company strategy/policy. Oh my, you really don't get it do you... nope, apparently I don't get it. Here are the posts on that whole mess I put some effort in, maybe read them to see my POV: Linkage - considerations on the MMOs/RL hobbies comparison Linkage - on pricing of NeX items Linkage - what I asked for from CCP Linkage - my take on Turbefield Linkage, Linkage - unhappy players are just a symptom/short-term problem; unhappy employees are the real danger Linkage - I don't like it but maybe CCP's "too much too fast" line of reasoning is right Linkage - no idea how CCP can even respond to that criticism
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:50:00 - [17] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 25/06/2011 10:54:29 Originally by: Ranger 1 If you don't agree with that point of view, fine, but at least understand it. Over the years, the film's screenwriter Stanley Weiser has been approached by numerous people who told him, "The movie changed my life. Once I saw it I knew that I wanted to get into such and such business. I wanted to be like Gordon Gekko". Linkage I've seen the movie and my own initial reaction was very much along these lines. pretty much like we proudly used Full Metal Jacket references all the time when I was doing military service... who cares what the original author/regisseur might have had in mind? edit: imo that title is intended to be witty/funny/... with a shot of dark humor and self irony It doesn't allow for any statements about the seriousness of that magazine's content.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:00:00 - [18] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 25/06/2011 11:01:19 Originally by: Ranger 1 You'll get confirmation of this all soon enough. And yes, I will be pointing and laughing. chances are that by that time you will be mainly laughing at inactive characters/accounts. CCP could have quelled this whole ****storm just by giving the one-line confirmation you are still hoping for.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.25 13:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Brecht The Solution After the uprising of the 17th of June The Secretary of the WritersÆ Union Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee Stating that the people Had forfeited the confidence of the government And could win it back only By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier In that case for the government To dissolve the people And elect another? have the feeling that that's where CCP is trying to head to...
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:57:00 - [20] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 26/06/2011 17:58:57 CCP Fallout did only refute the rumors about a buyout. Her wording allows for the possibility of Sony acquiring a (non-controlling) stake in CCP. (seems this rumor is sparked by SOE claiming they are "super excited about the future of sandbox gaming")
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Graava With the financial problems, if we tip them over the edge then this may be the best thing for Eve. An administrator will look at the company, its cashflow, its earnings, cancel WoD, cancel or mothball Dust and focus the company on the profitable part Eve. very funny... destroy a large part of CCP's assets just for lulz.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: caldar ian and if you are in favour of MT you probably have more money than sense, and are used to buying your results. The issue is... many are used buying their results and are just fine with it. They know they'd not stand a chance without a solid wallet behind them. or you just have a lot of ISK and laugh at the thought of all the people who will spend crazy amounts of RL $$ trying to play catch up with you. (sadly this doesn't apply to me :( but it's pretty much the stance Akita has taken towards all PLEX/MT-related issues - and it makes sense)
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.07.01 05:52:00 - [23] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 01/07/2011 05:55:48 Originally by: Jaik7 Originally by: dark Quantum es ist einfach nur eine frechheit,in einem abo-mmo einen ingame shop zu installieren. gut, optische anpassungsm÷glichkeiten gegen echtes geld .... da hab ich geraaaaaade noch so verstSndniss fnr. schlie¯lich k÷nnen aktive spieler (mich selbst eingeschlossen) mindestens einen account in der regel auch nber ingame wShrung (isk) finanzieren. sehr viele spieler tun das. andererseits ist jeder mit isk finanzierte monat, im vorfeld schon von jemandem mit echtem geld bezahlt worden (plex). hinter dem ingame shop steht also nichts anderes als (welch "nberraschung") die pure geldgier seitens ccp. lange rede, kurzer sinn: sollte ccp wirklich exclusiv nber den ingame shop wie angedroht schiffe, module etc verkaufen, die spielern einen spielerischen vorteil verschaffen, werde ich meine 2 accounts an den nagel hSngen....so sehr ich eve auch liebe! using babylon translation: [...] lol? here's a better translation for you: It's an absolute joke to install an in-game shop in a subscription-based MMO. Granted, visual customization against real money... that's something I can baaaaarely tolerate. After all, active players (myself included) are usually able to fund at least one account with in-game currency (isk). Many players do this. On the other hand each month that is funded with isk has already been paid for by somebody else with real money (plex). Hence, the only motivation for this in-game shop is (quelle surprise) straight greed on part of ccp. In short: if ccp should really sell ships, modules, ... which give players an in-game advantage for real money (as threatened), I will cancel my two accounts ... no matter how much I love [everything else about] eve! edit: lol, Bek Thyron beat me to it.

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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?